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By: brenda donovan said in open echo:
To: Roy Witt
Re: Changing FidoNet

RW> Why wouldn't a majority of sysops be able to handle that chore? In the least, it would save *Cs the embarrassment of having to defend a policy that the sysops had no hand in making.

BD> Isn't that what the POLICY5 echo was about? That was "the sysops". So what became of it? Where is it? Where is their result? Where is the new document that will lead us into this new sysop nirvana?

BD> Very few of the sysops want to be bothered. They just want their mail.

RW> Good idea. However, having only *Cs working on it guarantees it'll be the same policy as the wankers have now.

BD> I don't believe that for a minute. You are so used to spouting the same old rhetoric, you sound like a broken record. People do change their ideas over time if the input is reasoned. When it is denigrating or insulting, it's ignored even if the ideas are worthy of thought.

BD> Look how David M. got the IONs accepted. Now it's normal, then it was new with all sorts of naysayers. People do change. You quote your old archives as if the ones writing back then don't ever change or modify their ideas.

BD> That's a good reason for not relying on old archives for this sort of thing. I've seen many a node come around to a different way of thinking. You aren't going to get them to do that or see your point of view by being an asshole.

BD> Remember the outcry when I put Net 211 up? I hardly ever hear about it now. Lots of loud outrage that I would dare to do such a thing. It was against p4, motherhood and who knows what else. Net 211 goes it's quiet way still.

BD> All sides of the issues have to open their minds and get rid of the brick walls and innuendos, etc.. For one, I welcome reasoned input. I do not listen to tirades and put downs. It wastes my time.

BD> I was on the phone for an hour last night talking about EMO nodes and the 5000 and 5001 documents. I may not always agree with folks, but I will listen. Some folks I won't listen to. They don't know how to debate an issue without being insulting. Once a sysop gets that rep, few will listen and be willing to have a discussion with them. If they have good ideas, they get lost in the drek.

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Jerry Schwartz said in Fidonews echo: "I'm one who is opposed to opening up the echo. It is my firm belief that an RC needs a place where he or she can say something stupid to the other RCs without seismic consequences".

There have been plenty of messages posted in Z1REGCON that were ill-considered and subsequently ignored, withdrawn, or argued away. That becomes much more troublesome when any thoughtless remark can start a firestorm.

It was with this in mind that I brokered the compromise with Mike O'Connor which remains in place: an RC can cross-post his own words, or any message directly and specifically relating to his Region, and can paraphrase any discussion he choses; but directly cross-posting the messages of an other RC beyond those boundaries is forbidded without permission.

Regards, Jerry mailto: jerryschwartz@comfortable.com

ED>"I have watched this ball kicked from one end of the field to the other" to steal Jacks Yates words on another subject. This, Jerry, is the best worded explanation of the reasons that the RC's need their own private echo to do their laundry and iron out the wrinkles in, free of interference and unnecessary advice from others not elected to do their regions work.

Of course the Ed has to report all sides fairly and unbiased, giving all the right to express their views.