F I D O N E W S
Volume 15, Number 27
6 July 1998

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FidoNet Nodelist Statistics

Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:17:49 +0400 (MSD)
From: Gennady Kudryashoff <genka@bum.elektra.ru>
To: editor@fidonews.org
Subject: FidoNet Nodelist Statistics

Please, post this info in the next issue of FidoNews, with or without comments.

Thank you.

= Echo of european FidoNet sysops (2:5020/1159) ======= ENET.SYSOP =
Msg : 332 of 404 +387 Snt Loc
From : Gennady Kudryashoff 2:5020/1159
Tue 09 Jun 98 23:04
To : All
Tue 09 Jun 98 22:33
Subj : Nodelist statistics (from N5020.SYSOP)

One, two, three, four, one, two...
Let me tell you how it will be, All.

Here is translated forward of the letter from N5020.SYSOP, russian sysops conference. Please, think about it:

=== ======== == sysops.stat ===
* Area : N5020.SYSOP
* From : Mike Petrov, 2:5020/1413.1@FidoNet (Friday, 05/06/1998 23:53)
* To : All
* Subj : Fidonet systems, listed in nodelist.
* Crossposted in N5020.SYSOP
* Crossposted in MO.ZGRAD
* Crossposted in SOCHI.GENERAL
* Crossposted in E95.TALK

FidoNet systems, listed in nodelist.

                september 1997        may 1998

Zone 1 (North Am.)   -  8592            6585
Zone 2 (Europe)      - 17533           16144
Zone 3 (Australia)   -   792             608
Zone 4 (South Am.)   -   729             568
Zone 5 (Africa)      -   129             122
Zone 6 (Asia)        -  1289            1092

Region 24 (Germany)  -  6227            4948
Region 46 (Ukraine)  -  1402            1626
Region 50 (Russia)   -  3959            4531

Net    5020 (Moscow) -  1132            1273
Net    5030 (S.Pb)   -   608             652
Net    5065 (Sochi)  -    21              24

All                    29064           25119

1. World fidonet is in great shortage, half of year shortage is 4 thousand sysops.
Russian Fido is growing, half of year grouth is 0.7 thousand sysops.

2. Germany + Russia - more than 1/3 of world fidonet.

IMHO prognoses: Death of foreign fido.
Life, but shortage of Fido in Russia because of Internet.

This is only nodelist statistics, without points. If I'll count all the points, then Russia will be, IMHO, about 1/2 of world FidoNet. Abroad Russia point systems are not widely distributed.

Mike Petrov, 2:5020/1413
-+-
+ Origin: Mercury BBS - Winged Messenger Of Gods (2:5020/1413.1)

=== ======== sysops.stat ===

Think about the reasons of FidoNet shortage. If it because of Internet only?

Or because of absence normal fast IP and modem routing scheme, absence of regional and European backbones? And so on, and so on. Ward included Internet Nodes into nodelist, but, may be, as a "last chance" for FidoNet. European fidonetters must consult with their Russian collegues, or FidoNet in Europe will die soon.

P.S. For example, I'm trying to get UK echoes from November, 1997. Nowadays process was stopped after Cliff Harold passed away. Another examples are with international echoes. Without backbones, we have only a few message in them, then traffic rises, and gets down again.

P.P.S. Sorry for my bad English.

Gennady Kudryashoff. [Team The Beatles]
___ Who is that old man?
* Origin: We all live in the Yellow Submarine (c) The Beatles (2:5020/1159)

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FIDONET Nodes on Internet

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:25:00 PST
From: (Dana Huggard) <Dana_Huggard@tfbbs.tvinet.com>
To: editor@fidonews.org
Subject: FIDONET Nodes on Internet

Greetings,

I was just browsing FIDONEWS from June 15th and saw an article saying you're looking for a list of FIDONET nodes on Internet.

My Amiga BBS serves a web page at http://tfbbs.tvinet.com and provides telnet access via a BSD like TCP/IP stack. It has been on a 24x7 dedicated connection since late March 1993.

I'm located in Region 17 (Vancouver, BC Canada) Node: 1:153/765.0

Cheers,
Dana_H

-- Via DLG Pro v1.0

____ \TF/ --=TERRA-FIRMA-BBS \/ --=Serving the Amiga Community FidoNet 1:153/765.0 (LDSHub) - AmigaNet 40:800/0.0(Pacific_Reg. Coord.) Internet: dana@tfbbs.tvinet.com - URL http://tfbbs.tvinet.com

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Policy

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:22:43 -0500
From: Mitchell <mitchell@3dmail.com>
To: editor@fidonews.org
Subject: Policy

Thank you for taking the time to read my e-mail. My name is Randy Mitchell. I'm co-sysop of "The Collin County Station" in McKinney, TX. I also run a point from the same board.

The reason for my message is to find out where I might be able to locate a cite in FidoNet rules, regulations, or policy about posting practices and norms. I know that most of what needs to be known about posting messages in certain echoes are basic common sense, but occasionally, as you may well know, one runs into a person who doesn't have a clue as to what policies should be adhered to.

Let me give an example:

A few postings in a specific echo are of a particular subject and one of the participants make a claim that sounds rather unbelievable. He is called upon to back his statement up with cites and the sources of the cites, but refuses to do so claiming that the other participants should look up the site themselves.

Now I know something of this nature may sound petty and childish to even be concerned about, but it would be advantageous to those who enjoy a good debate or discussion to have something in writing with which to quote from when being faced with a situation such as this.

The moderator of the specific echo I'm concerned with doesn't seem to want to get involved in the discussion and there really is no need. I don't believe any rules have been broken (other than drifting from the topic:-) ever so slightly ) .

Once again, I thank you for your time and look forward to hearing from you in the future.

--
J. Randy Mitchell
FidoNet-- 1:124/6308.7
http://members.tripod.com/~Mitchell_J/
mitchell@3dmail.com

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Comments to remarks
in this week's FidoNews

Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:51:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Sender: dat95pkn@mds.mdh.se
From: Peter Karlsson <peter@perkele.coyote.org>
To: editor@fidonews.org
Subject: Comments to remarks in this week's FidoNews

> That means (for you keeping score) that Rune Johansen, Peter
> Karlsson and Tom Schlangen have left the 'new' FTSC, and not
> one 'official' announcement has yet to be made...

To the best of my knowledge, there is no "requirement" that such a thing should be announced in FidoNews. While I can see why it could be a good thing, I don't think it's really required. Those who are interested in the proceedings of the FTSC should read the FTSC_PUBLIC echo (which, I admit, I forgot to post my announcement to).

Anyway, I've not officially resigned yet, since they others are deciding whether to allow me to contine after dropping down to a point system (I don't want to tie my main computer up with OS/2 all the nights, because I cannot use it to logon remotely over the network). I'm planning on returning to node status when I can afford a harddisk for my secondary computer (which probably will not be until the autumn), and then I will ask if I can be "re-instaded" (if they decide to kick me out now).

--
\\//
Peter - http://nafmo.home.ml.org

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Fidonews 22

Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:20:06 +0200
Sender: neffets@cs.tu-berlin.de
From: Steffen Pietsch <neffets@cs.tu-berlin.de>
To: Bob@f23.n1.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Fidonews 22

Hello Bob,

I claim to not publish the comercial news about acounts or trial soft. This would be only the beginning of a real commercialization One has to defend it in the begining yet.

The most interesting part of the fnews is allways the first part, were (like in a telegram) the Big F's of the Fidonet are announced.

more of them!

fs
Steffen Pietsch

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RE: Adveretisements in Fidonews

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:31:31 -0400
From: Roscinante <rosc@fbn.dandy.net>
To: editor@fidonews.org
Subject: RE: Adveretisements in Fidonews

Hello Zorch, I'm just catching up on things in fidonews for the last 3 months (head stuck in the MUD :) ..

I'd appreciate keeping spam OUT of fidonews (re: issue 22)

All that is gold does not glitter..
Not all those who wander are lost.. J.R.R.Tolkien

And the knowledge that they fear
is a weapon to be held against them.. Neil Peart

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