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Tributes to Cliff Harrold in Zone 2

--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Sun Jan 18 19:48:01 1998

From: Cliff Hetherington @ 2:254/60
To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
Date: 16 Jan 98 21:57:48
Subj: Cliff Harrold (again)

* Forwarded by Cliff Hetherington (2:254/60.10)
* Area : FIDONEWS
* From : Barry Salter, 2:254/301 (12-Jan-98 03:50:11)
* To : Chris Baker
* Subj : Cliff Harrold (again)

Hi Chris,

Here's a collection of some of the messages that have been posted in NET254, ENET.SYSOP and REGION25 regarding the death of Cliff Harrold (former RC 2:25). Could you please put them in the first available issue of Fidonews?

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= F*REGION25

Msg : 336 [1-424]
From : DAVE CARTER 08-Jan-98 20:40:00
2:254/60
To : ALL
Subj : Cliff Harrold

F* REGION25=

* Crossposted in R25C
* Crossposted in REGION25
* Crossposted in UKEC

Folks,

I'm afraid I am the bearer of some deeply saddening news :-(

I have just learned that Cliff Harrold passed away suddenly today.

Details are sketchy at the moment, but I am in touch with his family, and will pass on any further information if they ask me to.

At this moment in time Cliff's system is still up, and one of his sons is familiar with the running of it - however, it would obviously be insensitive of us to presume that the system will be left on for any great length of time, so, as a temporary measure, Peter Burnett and I are offering our systems as standby feeds in order to take the weight off 2:442/403 as quickly as is practical. Peter and I carry the full backbone, and have sufficient disk space etc to cope with any additional feeds that may be requested, and I'm sure there will be others who will step in and make a similar offer.

Dave -[ davec@trak-one.co.uk ]-

-!- GoldED/386 3.00.Beta2+ 32UK1
- Origin: TRAK-ONE! * (2:254/60)

= F*REGION25

Msg : 350 [1-424]
From : BILLY CONNELLY 08-Jan-98 18:39:00
2:258/1
To : ALL
Subj : Cliff Harrold

F* REGION25=

* Crossposted in REGION25

Hi All!

I have just learned that the REC Cliff Harrold has Passed away :-(

I have been feeding from Cliff's MNL for nearly 5 years now and I considered him to be a very good friend. We often spoke for ages on the phone. I am deeply shocked that this has happened. I was talking to him only last night on the phone and everything seemed to be ok.

He will be deeply missed by many.

Cya l8tr

Billy

-!-
- Origin: Flight Of Fantasy , Glasgow (2:258/1)

= F*REGION25

Msg : 352 [1-424]
From : KEITH WASSELL 08-Jan-98 23:25:00
2:440/1
To : ALL
Subj : Obituary - Cliff Harrold

F* REGION25=

* Crossposted in AA_KW_PRIVATE_NETMAIL
* Crossposted in REGION25
* Crossposted in FREE25
* Crossposted in R25C
* Crossposted in UKEC
* Crossposted in ENET.SYSOP

Dear Friends & Colleagues!

It is with great sadness, and disbelief, that I have to tell you all that Cliff Harrold, R25EC. Has passed away from our circle! 8-(

I only started to work with Cliff a couple of years ago. Our first contacts were not always easy. I felt he needed to be more assertive , and he rose to the challenge.

My appreciation of him grew, to a good working relationship, and, over many a silly dispute, he proved an excellent advisor, and anchor man.

He was instrumental in solving my dispute with Z2EC last year, and a cornerstone in the foundation of Net 258.

He also worked selflessly, and enthusiastically to forward the echomail distribution in the UK. His enthusiasm, and down to earth approach, coupled with his willingness to go that 'extra mile' to achieve an acceptable result to all sides will be sorely missed. His devotion to his job was unquestionable, even in the face of a 'dwindling' fidonet. Cliff was always there in the background, making sure things 'worked' on the echomail front.

This is the fourth sad passing of a fellow sysop I have had to witness, and it only goes to amplify the mortality of us all.

At this time, let us not argue about silly things, over moderator elections etc, etc. Let us all reflect on Cliff's success in fidonet!. All that he stood for, and all that was/is good in this hobby we share. Let us all work selflessly to put our hobby back where it belongs in the future, not as some second class refuge to Internet. That's what Cliff would have asked of us, were he here to say it himself.

Lastly, when you read this message - spare a minute of silence in respect for him! Then think where are you coming from, and going to. I hope Cliff's last Journey from this world, will be one of enlightenment, and fulfillment!

Success is a Journey!

it is not a quantity, you cannot measure it!

In Fidonet, Cliff achieved reasonable success!. I only hope his successor can aspire to what he has put in place.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Keith Wassell, R25C, and proud to have had the honour of working with him.

-!- GoldED/386/2.42.G0615+/#0020UK1
- Origin: P C FORUM * DARTFORD, KENT, UK * +44-1322-288006 * (2:440/1)

= F*REGION25

Msg : 404 [1-424]
From : DAVE CARTER 11-Jan-98 03:53:00
2:254/60
To : ALL
Subj : More info

F* REGION25=

* Crossposted in C_NIGHTLINE
* Crossposted in R25C
* Crossposted in REGION25
* Crossposted in FREE25
* Crossposted in UKEC
* Crossposted in NET254
* Crossposted in T1-LINX

Folks,

Cliff Harrold, our friend and colleague, will be laid to rest this coming Friday, 16th January.

The party will leave the Harrold's home a little before 1pm, to make the 1 hour journey to the crematorium at Narberth, Carmarthenshire.

Mrs. Harrold has spoken to me regarding the suggestion that we club together to make a collection for some flowers for Cliff's funeral. She would prefer that we make a donation to a charity, and will let me know over the next few days which one she would like to nominate.

I suspect that we will each be able to make a donation direct to the charity, if we so wish, but Billy Connelly (2:258/1) has very kindly offered to act as a collection point, for those who wish to contribute that way. I will leave it up to Billy to post any details, and will let you know the name of the nominated charity in due course.

Regards,

Dave

-!-
- Origin: (2:254/60)

= F*REGION25

Msg : 417 [1-424]
From : DAVE CARTER 12-Jan-98 00:27:00
2:254/60
To : ALL
Subj : To Cliff from Woody

F* REGION25=

* Crossposted in C_NIGHTLINE
* Crossposted in R25C
* Crossposted in REGION25
* Crossposted in FREE25
* Crossposted in UKEC
* Crossposted in ENET.SYSOP

Steve has asked that I post this in the relevant echos for him ....

* Forwarded by Dave Carter
* From : Steve Woodmore (11 Jan 98 / 20:57)
* Subj : Cliff Harrold

Dear Fidonet Friends,

it is with a heavy heart, and a great deal of sadness that I find myself writing this message, it is something that I thought I would never have to do.

After being informed of the passing away this week of the REC, Cliff Harrold, I can say that I am still in a state of shock, and I am mourning the loss of a good friend.

I first got to know Cliff when he started running his Midnight line, and over the years since then we became good friends.

I was very suspicious of his motives for becoming REC, and I can quite safely say that he had proved me totally wrong, and did the job with a vigor and dedication to an amateur hobby, that I have only ever seen a few other people aspire to.

Cliff impressed me very much with his dedication, and after I became Z2EC I found out just how hard he did work on behalf of fidonet. Almost daily we would be on the phone to each other quietly behind the scenes, sorting out feeds, broken links, and general EC problems, in fact cliffs phone number has appeared on my bills more times than any one else's, it wasn't because he wanted or needed help either, its because he was dedicated, and a total perfectionist, if there was the slightest problem, he would be there, quietly, behind the scenes trying to sort it out for the good of the network.

What many of you will not have seen is that tireless dedication, sometimes into the wee small hours, that lead to the prevention of problems that many of you would not have seen, he corrected them, sorted them out, and dealt with them whilst they where minor niggles, and long before they became major issues.

Over the last two years, I have also become involved with Cliff, in a few projects that were not Fidonet related, and again he impressed me with the same dedication and helpfulness that he showed me in fidonet.

I can safely say that Cliff was the BEST, MOST DEDICATED and Caring REC that it has been my pleasure to work with, and having met him several times I can also safely say that he was a friend, and one of this worlds truly "Good guys".

I shall miss his daily phone banter, I shall miss his friendship, and Fidonet has lost one of the most dedicated people I have known.

Cliff, if somehow you could read this, then I know what you did for fidonet, and I appreciate your efforts more than you will ever know, if there is a heaven, I know that it will benefit from your dedication. Goodbye matey, you will be surely missed.

-=> Steve Woodmore <=-

-!-
- Origin: (2:254/60)
*/
Cya,

Barry Salter
Sysop, Video Vault BBS (2:254/301@fidonet)

-!- Terminate 5.00/Pro ViaMAIL! v1.30/WC
- Origin: Video Vault BBS, London, UK, +44-(0)181-884-3653

To: Cliff Hetherington
Date: 16-Jan-98

Hello Chris,

This is the message you missed from Barry regarding my namesake, Cliff Harrold.

Cheers,
Cliff

Written offline at 21:58 Hrs

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ZCC-PUBLIC .. a peek in the ZC-kitchen
By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
ZC/2

As of today (Jan. 16, 1998) I have started to crosspost all my messages from the ZCC-conference to a new conference entitled:

ZCC-PUBLIC

This conference will be offered free to all and available for worldwide distribution.

Messages not originating at my keyboard are, of course, not crossposted.

All ZC's are invited to connect to it and post their own messages in it.

Upon request however and for their comfort I can also install a robot to automagically take care of it.

The idea for a parallel-conference, instead of allowing link-ins to ZCC who would be abused anyway, is Alwyn's. That way the ZC's wouldn't be bothered by possible background-noise.